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Offline the sensible celiac

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The Dining Out Danger Zone
« on: March 01, 2005, 09:10:02 PM »
Which places do you find especially dangerous or unfriendly when you go out for GF food?

Please share your bad experiences here, we can help to warn each other.

Steve

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Re: The Dining Out Danger Zone
« Reply #1 on: March 05, 2005, 07:55:40 AM »
Well, I won't be much help on this.  I am avoiding all problem places like the plague and have not stumbled into any problems yet.  There seem to be a lot of places I can eat and still choose gluten free foods.  I have even been in restaurants with heavy gluten menus who were able to make me gluten free foods without any cross contamination.  I have even found, believe it or not, mexican restaurants will make enchiladas with corn tortillas instead of flour ones if you call ahead and ask them to do so.  Needless to say, I don't eat Subways anymore.  (G)


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Re: The Dining Out Danger Zone
« Reply #2 on: March 07, 2005, 11:38:08 AM »
We have only eaten out at a resteraunt once since I figured out that my son (now 4) and I have celiac disease.  My husband has gone gluten-free also (and feels wonderful) so that we have a totally gluten-free home.  I had a fantast experience eating two meals at a DelSoro (I think that's right - I'm having a hard time remembering the name) hotel last year.  They went out of their way to accomodate me and I did not get sick after eating there.   I am one of those celiacs that displays symptoms at the slightest contamination so when I don't get sick it's a pretty good sign that the meal was truly gluten-free.  Then came my brother's wedding reception meal.  They chose an Italian resteraunt in our area, one of a chain, named Johnny Carino's.  Horrible horrible experience.  The waitress was confused but willing to be helpful.  She brought out another person who seemed understand exactly what we wanted and asked intelligent  questions.  We settled on plain grilled chicken with lemon (from actual lemons, not juice concentrate) and vegetables on the side.  One of the meals offered was grilled chicken on a bed of pasta with alfredo sauce.  Our meal was to be a GF variation of this.  I explained that we had to have separately grilled chicken, no sauce or pasta, and that we could not have meat just picked off the pasta; there had to be no contact.  Everything was pronounced doable, no probablems.  Our meal came and smelled great.  We had one platter to share between me, my son, and my mom (who had had symptoms for thirty years and gone GF on her own decision after I did).  We divided the food and began to eat.  Tasted delicious.  Halfway through the meal I come across a big strand of pasta hiding under my slice of chicken.  Then found two more.  Same thing with my mom - pasta stuck to the bottom side of her chicken.  Yes, I got sick.  My son displayed the wild emotions and hyperactivity followed by complete apathy and exhaustion which are his gluten symptoms.  My mom's only symptom is a skin condition that shows up on her forehead.  She got it. 
One of the pieces of advice I read in a book is to talk to the chef yourself.  I  think maybe in the future I'll stick to that .  I consider this a very painful but not to be forgotten lesson.

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Re: The Dining Out Danger Zone
« Reply #3 on: March 07, 2005, 12:14:20 PM »
GFinTexas

That experience at your brother's wedding reception was awful! Especially in light of the fact that you had explicitly told them that your food must not come into contact with the pasta.

You had every good reason to be angry about that.

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Re: The Dining Out Danger Zone
« Reply #4 on: March 08, 2005, 03:49:45 PM »
I find i have the best luck with mexican restaurants. They will replace any meal that calls for flour tortillas with the corn ones. And I take my soy cheese and have them add it to my dish.None of them have ever had a problem with me doing it. So we do mexican a lot.

I thought at first salad bars would be okay. But everytime I go to one I get ill. I guess we are just chancing too many people at one of them not to contaminate the items we can eat.

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Re: The Dining Out Danger Zone
« Reply #5 on: March 13, 2005, 08:15:17 PM »
I'm always scared to eat from salad bars, especially if you just stand by and watch the way people will use the same tongs for everything, drop food into other containers, etc. No thanks!!
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Re: The Dining Out Danger Zone
« Reply #6 on: April 06, 2005, 01:27:33 PM »
The worst feeling is when I go out to eat and stare at the menu for what seems like forever and force myself to settle for the usual- a salad. But still, I have learned that even a simple salad is dangerous. I was out with a friend of mine just last week and, as always, I ordered a house salad (usually safe because it doesn't have much on it- since I can't have dairy either). I explained to the waitress that I can't have wheat or dairy and will get very sick if I do. She said all too casually, "no problem." I was worried. My friend who I was with jokingly said,"basically she wants a bowl of lettuce." Basically, that's what I always order out! I was halfway through eating my salad and I spotted a crouton nestled towards the bottom! later, I got sick. The salad wasn't that good anyway! I've learned that no matter how much you emphasize the no wheat thing, and in my case, no dairy either, there's always a risk! You just have to find a place you can continuously go to and trust that they will take good care of you.

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Re: The Dining Out Danger Zone
« Reply #7 on: April 07, 2005, 02:53:24 PM »
Your story of the server with a cavalier attitude reminds me of the time I was at Delmonico's Seafood restaurant in Beverly Hills on Valentine's Day.  I inquired about the vegetable soup to see if any flour was used in it's preparation (as a thickener, etc.) and explained to the gal why it was important.  She came back from the kitchen and assured me that no flour was used in the soup.  While eating it I stirred the veggies around and discovered.....pasta.  I realized then that you sometimes have to ask a series of questions to make sure the server understands what wheat is and what items might be made of it.

I'm often amazed at what people think wheat is or isn't.  So far the oddest one was a guy who thought salad greens were wheat.

And yes, I've also found croutons lurking in my salad!  I generally check it thoroughly before digging in and I warn the server beforehand that if I find a crouton in there, the whole thing will have to be prepared again - simply removing the offenders is not enough.

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Re: The Dining Out Danger Zone
« Reply #8 on: April 07, 2005, 08:30:51 PM »
I do have a funny story to tell.  My husband and I went to a local restaurant and I ordered the Rodeo Steak Salad.  The waitress was really nice, and I explained that I didn't want any cheese or croutons on my salad, and I basically said "no dairy and no wheat."  She wrote specific orders on my slip.  My salad came, a nice big plate of greens with tomatoes and some mushrooms, but I couldn't find the steak strips, so I thought they were underneath the greens.  Nothing.  So I called the waitress back and told her there was no steak strips.  She went back to the kitchen and came back very embarrassed.  She told the cook, "no dairy" and he thought that it meant no cheese and no meat, since cows can be raised on a "dairy" farm!

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Re: The Dining Out Danger Zone
« Reply #9 on: September 27, 2005, 08:52:17 PM »
Well, I love the  Outback because of the gluten free menu and the real fudge hot fudge.    On the other end, I was at the Huntington Beach pier selling jewelry kand I went into Dukes resturant seeking food. I asked the hostess who referred me to another woman who said" Everything we have has gluten in it."  It may be that I'm sensitive , but I wanted to say well f you too.  But I didn't and I'm really glad I didn't.  Then I would have been soooooo rude, like I felt theuy were.  So, I want to Wahoos tacos and  had beans rice and no season veggies. Lots of Cholula hot sauce.  I'm just gabby today.

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Re: The Dining Out Danger Zone
« Reply #10 on: November 29, 2005, 04:05:48 PM »
I work in a job where I have to travel a couple of times a week. It makes being gluten free a challenge indeed. I have seen a lot. Too many times have been told they have the "white kind of bread" when I say I can't have wheat. Definite danger signal. It is difficult to get the staff sometimes to take you seriously, even if you tell them that it could put you in the hospital. I have even been asked to leave and not eat there because they were afraid I would get sick and bring a law suit against them.

Because I can not carry multiple meals for multiple days, here is what I do: Carry Bumble Bars and small items I know I can eat for the times I get stuck in the airport waiting on planes. If you are caught without it, try the cashews (I am allergic to peanuts too) or nuts and a hershey bar (plain or with almonds) for energy. I have found nachoes at Chicago Ohare that didn't kill me, but watch out for Wolgang Puck's. They like their fresh bread. They do have a steak dinner with mash potatoes and grilled veggies that worked out. Just give the waiter a dirty look when he brings the bowl of warm bread.

I have tried Chili's at the airport - burger without a bun, but there was conamination last time, so we won't do that again.

When I get a hotel, I book one that has a fridge and microwave, like the Hilton Garden Inns. Not too expensive and they have the fridge and stuff. If I am staying long, I look up Whole Foods or such and get some things for the fridge. I do eat at PF Changs and Outback, but like to try some local stuff where they prepare the food there. I try not to go when it is too busy and ALWAYS tip extra for a wait person that goes out of their way to accomodate and listen. There is a seafood restaurant in the Cincinnati area that also has a GF menu as does a steak place in Minneapolis. In New York, there are several GF places, but I haven't tried them yet. I do sometimes google the city for gf restaurants before I go and get some pretty good surprises.

I do pretty well. You have to speak clearly, communicate well, read the wait staff (did they really "get" what I was saying?) and proceed with caution. If the plate comes with a piece of bread across it, send it back and tell them they have to start over. Question anything you think might cause a problem. They are getting paid to serve you. (And stay far away from sandwich shops...just doesn't work)

It is a production. It is a large pain in the neck. But because I am usually with a supplier when I eat out, it has provided me with an opportunity to educate. There are now several people diagnosed with Celiac that had been walking around sick and not know what it was. It gives me an opportunity to help change lives for the better. That, my friends, is what the world is all about.  :lol:

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Re: The Dining Out Danger Zone
« Reply #11 on: October 13, 2006, 07:09:19 PM »
About Subway- I have gotten some very good salad there. You can pick whatever veggies you want. Never had a problem with a wayward bread crumb. Carol