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Offline the sensible celiac

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I subscribe to several celiac-related mailing lists. Often I find messages posted that cause me to disagree strenuously with what is being put forth as fact.  Over the years I've found it to be a futile exercise to disagree publicly in these email lists, as the common result is a flame war.  Flame wars are so 20th century!

This week I saw a statement that seemed to me to typify the position of some folks in the celiac community with whom I almost always disagree.

A lady who seems quite intelligent, who composes her messages well, and who presents what seems to be strong positions made this satement.

"The only way you can be sure a food is gluten free is to contact the manufacturer."

I submit that the above is clearly and obviously false, and I further submit that I have no need in the first place to be sure that a food is gluten free. Please read on before beginning your attack.

Some foods are inherently gluten free, and it is ridiculous to consider that they may contain gluten.

Consider the potato.

I often buy 5 or 10 pound bags of potatoes at Ralph's Supermarket, and I have never once attempted to contact the manufacturer of a potato to challenge them as to whether or not wheat had ever been grown in their field.

So, perhaps at this point we can all agree that it is possible to know, at the degree of certainty that is required to take good care of ourselves, that the probability of certain foods containg gluten is so remote that it is an exercise in futility to concern ourselves about those particular food items containing gluten.

Such foods would include every single fruit known to exist, every vegetable that is not a grain, and all meat that has not had any non-meat ingredients added to it.

Of course in the category of grains, there are many grains that are also inherently gluten free. Rice comes to mind as a great example.

So let us reconsider the quoted statement above which first caused me to disagree, and being kind to the original author, let's try rewording it slightly and then see if we still disagree with her...

Perhaps she really meant to say "The only way you can be sure that a manufactured food is gluten free is by contacting the manufacturer."

In this case I am forced to wonder what degree of certainty we are talking about here. Are we acting as lawyers in a court case, such that we must prove beyond any shadow of a doubt that a manufactured food does not contain any gluten at all? I suspect that this would be a very difficult thing to prove. Certainly it would be possible to reach a point where we could say that using the best scientific methods available, we are unable to detect any trace of gluten in a specific sample of a specific food at a specific time.  Obviously, this degree of certainty is not economically feasible, or even practical.

So how can we be sure?

I believe that, at least in some cases, we can't be absolutely sure that some manufactured foods are completely and utterly free of even a single molecule of gluten.

But I am also not convinced that we need to be so rigid as to suggest we really do need to contact the manufacturer of every single food we intend to eat, and grill them aggressively about every detail of the preparation of the food and the design of their facility.

I think that we can educate ourselves about the likely sources of gluten and READ THE LABELS on every single item that we buy. I personally read labels, and then I personally make a spot decision. It is a form of threat assessment - how likely do I think it is that this food will make me feel terribly ill if I buy it and eat it.

I have never paid anyone for a list of foods they assert to be gluten free, and I never intend to do so. I do recognize that some people feel the need for this type of specific guidance.

There may be some cases where there is an ingredient that is suspicious, or which we know may or may not contain gluten depending on its source.  In these cases it seems reasonable and prudent to ask other celiacs or contact the manufacturer.

Are you familiar with rice stick?  This is a sort of spaghetti-like thin rice noodle that is often used in Asian dishes. If you are lucky enough to have an Asian food section in your supermarket you can probably find it there. Typically rice stick contains Rice, or Rice and Salt.  It is a manufactured food.  I refuse to believe that it is prudent and wise for me to be afraid to eat rice stick because I have not phoned the manufacturer in China and asked them if it is gluten free.

But to go back to the original statement that got me off on this rant, remember the nice lady who warned us that we could not be certain that a food was gluten free unless we contacted the manufacturer?

Well, I do not need to achieve metaphysical certainty of the GF nature of a food before eating it.

I believe I am capable of assessing the risks on my own, without using a telephone, in most cases. For those other cases where I am not sure, well, isn't that why we are all here at the sensible celiac?

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Re: Argument: "The only way you can be sure a food is gluten free is..."
« Reply #1 on: April 22, 2005, 10:03:16 AM »
Wow! Our phone bills would be through the roof! I usually take the hint when packaged food says in big, bold letters on the front "Gluten Free." There's also lots of other food to eat out there that doesn't say gluten free, just read the labels and if I'm ever in doubt, I don't eat it. I can honestly say that I have never once called a manufacturer to confirm if their food is gluten free. I'm getting along just fine! Thanks for the chuckle!

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Re: Argument: "The only way you can be sure a food is gluten free is..."
« Reply #2 on: April 22, 2005, 07:23:06 PM »
However, I did recently call a manufacturer to check if their niacin supplement was gluten free.  They assured me it was, so when I got a screaming migraine that night, I read the blurb on the niacin which said it can initially cause headaches but that they would then probably not continue.  So I took day two of the niacin--less of a headache, but I called the manufacturer again just to double check.  Yes, it was gluten free they said.  Day three produced the worst headache yet and, since I don't typically get stomach signals with gluten, by day three all my other gluten symptoms were in full blossom and I was miserable.  Obviously there was gluten somewhere in the packaging process.

My point--why do we think the manufacturers are the experts?  I agree--read the labels and make your best guess.  (But I still like the www.napervillegi.com food list, which is free to anyone who goes to the sight, when I'm just wanting to rush to the store and not read labels).

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Re: Argument: "The only way you can be sure a food is gluten free is..."
« Reply #3 on: April 23, 2005, 03:18:25 AM »
Being vegan I eat pretty natural anyway. But if i do buy something packaged and it says gluten free. I will just buy it , eat it, and pray it tastes good. :) Im not gonna call for everything.

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Re: Argument: "The only way you can be sure a food is gluten free is..."
« Reply #4 on: April 23, 2005, 06:33:04 AM »
I cross check on different GF lists out there. Then I read the label and if I am not sure I just don't buy it.

There are plenty of natural foods out there that don't need labels! :-D

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Re: Argument: "The only way you can be sure a food is gluten free is..."
« Reply #5 on: April 23, 2005, 03:17:20 PM »
I read all labels, sometimes even at home before I pop that tasty looking morsel into my mouth.  I have visited websites to find gluten info and many are very good. They include information in the FAQ's that does not appear in the product listings. (They get a personalized email with compliments).  Some are very helpful with email queries. The few phone calls that I have made, have had varied success. Some reps do not sound as if they are familiar with gluten intolerances and I am left thinking that I still am not confident about this product. Some have been so helpful that I want to run to the store and buy more! My questions usually center around the natural flavorings issue, so that may be the reason for my experiences.
 I do wish that all manufactures would just say no gluten in this product and I would not need to be so careful. Dream on baby.

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Re: Argument: "The only way you can be sure a food is gluten free is..."
« Reply #6 on: April 25, 2005, 12:59:59 PM »
I rely on labels also.   But how reliable are they?  I don't believe that than be completelt accurate.  I know that there are packages of food clearly marked GLUTEN FREE but can everything else be trusted?

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Re: Argument: "The only way you can be sure a food is gluten free is..."
« Reply #7 on: April 25, 2005, 04:00:48 PM »
As the people with food allergies and people with celiac disease become better organized and more vocal, and at the same time the FDA becomes more clear about which foods are common allergens and must be divulged on labels - I think the reliability of the information on food labels is probably increasing.

I'm sure that there are cases where a food contains an allergen that is not listed. We hear of food recalls from time to time because of cases like this.

I generally do trust labels, but to increase my food safety level, I buy the simplest ingredients possible most of the time; basic ingredients like fresh produce, 5 lb bags of brown rice, etc. and then do most of my own cooking.

For snacks I buy the most basic snacks, like corn tortillas which contain corn and nothing else, or corn and oil.

By mimimizing your exposure to prepared foods you can minimize your risk of accidental gluten exposure at the same time as you get better nutrition.

Steve

 

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